Pornire mai greoaie

[vaduva80s]

e un topic cam delicat probabil...azi a mers din prima nu mi a facut figura deloc. poate isi revine singura.

Dar releul acela iti spune ceva?

Care releu ?

[Fan_XBMW]

Releu din fata... mecanicul mi a zis ca se afla situat sub cutia unde este filtru de polen... pe partea soferului.

Tin sa mentionez ca si ieri si azi a pornit la cheie. dar culmea SI A REVENIT FLUIERATUL care disparuse fix cand a inceput sa imi faca faze la pornire.

Fluieratul in masina, e ca un suierat, se aude ca si cum s ar auzi ceainicul cand fierbe, cel de pe vremuri. e un fluierat finut care se aude doar cand merge masina pana in 2000 ture.

Sa fie de la aceleratie ceva oare?

[vaduva80s]

Releu din fata... mecanicul mi a zis ca se afla situat sub cutia unde este filtru de polen... pe partea soferului.

Tin sa mentionez ca si ieri si azi a pornit la cheie. dar culmea SI A REVENIT FLUIERATUL care disparuse fix cand a inceput sa imi faca faze la pornire.

Fluieratul in masina, e ca un suierat, se aude ca si cum s ar auzi ceainicul cand fierbe, cel de pe vremuri. e un fluierat finut care se aude doar cand merge masina pana in 2000 ture.

Sa fie de la aceleratie ceva oare?

tester.

[Fan_XBMW]

Mi a zis un tip la un service ca ar putea fi bendix de la electromotor.

Si suiaratul ala cica tot de acolo ar proveni... Simptomele se cam leaga una de alta... cand e suieratul acela pana in 2mii ture masina porneste perfect. cand dispare suieratul masina porneste mai greoi la prima pornire din zi.

Aveti idee cum as putea verifica bendixul acela? cik e o roata zimtata care se uzeaza... la tester ma gandesc ca nu iese asa ceva...

[vaduva80s]

Daca electromotorul da rateuri , trebuie sa se fi inregistrat vreo eroare (nu zice ca e bendixul , dar zice ca are legatura cu electromotorul).

Nu stiu ce sazic pt ca nu am patit.

[Fan_XBMW]

ok, am fost la un alt tester si am urmatoarele rezultate:

Cod de eroare :103

POZITIE AX CAME ADMIS.NECORESP.

 

Restul sunt legate de alimentare tensiune--- ori prea scazuta

 

 

asta inseamna ca e ax cu came?

[LEOZRX]

Mie imi porneste greu cateodata cand e foarte cald afara, dar nu stiu de ce.

[Fan_XBMW]

o fi piesa aceasta?

http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/p/z/18.png

 

vaduva80s am citit si acest topic:

http://www.bmwclub.ro/forums/topic/103324-probleme-senzor-ax-came/

e posibil sa fie ce are ioan314? E posibil sa nu fie acel senzor?

 

Am gasit aceasta lista cu erori:

103 VANOS Error -Inlet Camshaft

 

 

MS41, MS42 and MS43

1 Ignition coil Cyl 2

2 Ignition coil Cyl 4

3 Ignition coil Cyl 6

5 Fuel injector Cyl 2

6 Fuel injector Cyl 1

8 Air Flow Meter (HFM)

10 Coolant Temperature Sensor

11 Tank Pressure Sensor (EVAP System) or Radiator Outlet Temp (MS43)

12 TPS or Plausibility - Maximum Coolant Temp (MS43)

13 Plausibility- Radiator Outlet Temp

14 Intake Air Temperature Sensor

15 Plausibility - Cut Out Time

16 AirCon Compressor - PWM Signal or Plausibility Intake Air Temp (MS43)

17 Plausibility - Engine Coolant Temp

18 EWS Signal or Camshaft Sensor (MS43)

19 Activation VANOS Inlet Valve or Exhaust Valve (MS43)

20 "CHECK ENGINE" Light Failure

21 VANOS -Electrical Fault or Activation VANOS Inlet Valve (MS43)

22 Fuel Injector Cyl 3

23 Fuel Injector Cyl 6

24 Fuel Injector Cyl 4

25 Lambda Sensor Heater -Bank 1

27 Idle Control Valve - Malfunction

29 Ignition Coil Cyl 1

30 Ignition Coil Cyl 3

31 Ignition Coil Cyl 5

33 Fuel Injector Cyl 5

35 Aux. Air Injection System Relay

36 DME Main Relay

37 DME Main Relay : Delay

38 Clutch Switch -Plausibility

39 Brake Light Switch or Brake Light Test Switch

40 Brake Light Switch or Pedal Value Signal

42 Multi Function Steering Wheel- Plausibility

43 Multi Function Steering Wheel: Button

45 Multi Function Steering Wheel: Port

47 Temp Sensor -Downstream of Pre-Cat or Torque Limitation Level 1 (MS43)

48 DME Control Unit -Self Test 1

49 DME Control Unit or Torque Monitoring Level 2 (MS43)

50 EVAP Control Valve or Response Monitoring Level 2 (MS43)

51 Shut-off Valve -Charcoal Filter or Request Control Unit Reset (MS43)

52 Solenoid Valve -Exhaust Flap

53 Idle Speed Actuator

55 Lambda Sensor Heater -Bank 2

56 Ignition Current Feedback Resistor - Open Circuit

57 Knock sensor -Bank 1

58 DME Control Unit -Self Test 2

59 Knock Sensor -Bank 2

61 Lambda Sensor Heater -Bank 2 Post Cat

62 Aux. Air Injection System -Switching Valve

63 DME Control Unit or Ambient Temp Signal via CAN (MS43)

64 Plausibility - Ambient Temperature

65 Camshaft Position Sensor (Inlet MS43)

66 DME Control Unit

67 DME Control Unit

68 Tank Venting Valve

69 Fuel Pump Relay

70 DME Control Unit

71 DME Control Unit

72 DME Control Unit

74 AirCon Compressor Relay

75 Lambda Sensor Voltage -Bank 1

76 Lambda Sensor Voltage -Bank 2

77 Lambda Sensor Voltage -Bank 1 Post Cat

78 Lambda Sensor Voltage -Bank 2 Post Cat

79 Lambda Sensor Heater -Bank 1 Post Cat

80 ABS/ASC interface

81 MSR Signal -Active too Long

82 ABS/ASC Interface -Advance Adjustment

83 Crankshaft Sensor

90 Exhaust Temperature Pre Cat Conv - Bank 1

91 Exhaust Temperature Pre Cat Conv - Bank 2

92 Exhaust Temperature Post Cat Conv -Bank 1

93 Exhaust Temperature Post Cat Conv -Bank 2

94 Auxiliary Air -Air Mass Flow Sensor

95 Auxiliary Air Valve or Auxiliary Air Hose Blocked

96 Auxiliary Air Pump - Function

97 Auxiliary Air -Flow Rate too Low

98 Auxiliary Air -Flow Rate too High

99 Auxiliary Air Valve Jammed Open

100 DME Control Unit -Self-Test Failed

103 VANOS Error -Inlet Camshaft

104 VANOS Error -Exhaust Camshaft

105 VANOS Error -Position Inlet Camshaft

106 VANOS Error -Position Exhaust Camshaft

109 Throttle Valve Plausibility

110 Pedal Sensor Value Potentiometer 1

111 Pedal Sensor Value Potentiometer 2

112 TPS Potentiometer 1

113 TPS Potentiometer 2

114 Throttle Valve Final Stage

115 Reference Voltage -Voltage Regulator 1 or Throttle Pedal Adaptation (MS43)

116 Reference Voltage -Voltage Regulator 2

117 Plausibility -Pedal Position Sensor 1/2

118 Plausibility -TPS 1/2 or TPS1/Airflow Plausibility (MS43)

119 Throttle Valve Sensor -Mechanical Error or TPS2/Airflow Plausibility (MS43)

120 Plausibility Pedal Sensor or TPS

122 Engine Oil Temperature

123 Map Cooling Thermostat Control

124 Activation DISA Solenoid

125 Activation Electric Fan

126 Activation Tank Leak Pump Solenoid

127 Activation Pump Solenoid

128 DME/EWS Communication

129 CAN Signal SMG 1

130 CAN Signal ASC -Timeout

131 CAN Signal Instrument Cluster -Timeout

132 CAN Signal Instrument Cluster -Timeout

133 CAN Signal ASC -Timeout

134 SMG Intervention -Plausibility

135 Throttle Valve Re-Adaptation Required

136 Throttle Valve -Spring Test and Limp-home Position Failed

137 CAN Signal -Steering Angle Sensor

139 CAN Signal -Tank Level Sensor

140 Tank Leak Pump Solenoid - Reed Switch Open or Output Stage (MS43)

141 Tank Leak Pump Solenoid - Reed Switch Stuck Closed or Tank Level Sensor (MS43)

142 Tank Leak Pump Solenoid - Reed Switch Stuck Open or DMTL Module (MS43)

143 Tank Ventilation or Tank Leakage (MS43)

144 Fuel System - Large Leak Recognised

145 Fuel System - Small Leak Recognised

146 EVAP System Leak Detected (Small Leak) or Pedal Sensor Supply Voltage Pot 1 (MS43)

147 Pedal Position Sensor Potentiometer Supply Channel 1 (Pot 2 MS43)

149 Air Flow Sensor or Pedal Value Sensor Mismatch

150 Lambda Post Cat Bank 1 Max Limit

151 Lambda Post Cat Bank 2 Max Limit

152 Lambda Post Cat Bank 1 Min Limit

153 Lambda Pre Cat Bank 2 Max Limit

154 Lambda Pre Cat Bank 2 Min Limit

155 Lambda Pre Cat Bank 2 No Signal

156 Lambda Pre Cat Bank 1 No Signal

157 Lambda Post Cat Bank 1 Min Limit

159 Lambda Post Cat Bank 2 Max Limit

160 Lambda Post Cat Bank 2 (MS41) or Throttle Valve Stuck

161 Throttle Valve - Stuck

162 Throttle Valve -Control Deviation

168 Pedal Position Sensor Pot Supply 1 or MAP Cooling Thermostat Jammed (MS43)

169 Throttle Valve Output Stage Cut off after Fault

170 DME Control Unit -Self Test Failed

171 Plausibility - Throttle Valve

172 Pedal Sensor Potentiometer 1/2 Short Circuit

173 TPS Potentiometer 1/2 Short Circuit

174 Throttle Valve Potentiometer 1/2 Adaptation

175 Pedal Sensor 1 Adaptation

176 Pedal Sensor 2 Adaptation

186 Voltage Post Cat Bank 1

187 Voltage Post Cat Bank 2

188 Voltage Pre Cat Bank 1

189 Voltage Pre Cat Bank 2

190 EVAP -Reed Switch Open or Voltage Post Cat Bank 1 (MS43)

191 EVAP -Reed Switch Closed or Voltage Post Cat Bank 2 (MS43)

192 EVAP -Reed Switch Open

193 EVAP -Check Hoses

194 EVAP -Large Leak Detected

195 EVAP -Small Leak Detected

196 EVAP -Electrical Valve from LDP Pump or Barometric Pressure Sensor (MS43)

197 EVAP -Barometric Pressure Sensor

198 Cat Efficiency during Start -Bank 1

199 Cat Efficiency during Start -Bank 2

200 Lambda Regulation Bank 1 Pre Cat

201 Lambda Regulation Bank 2 Pre Cat

202 Lambda Regulation Bank 1 Post Cat

203 Lambda Regulation Bank 2 Post cat

204 Idle Control System -Idle speed not plausible

208 EWS -RPM Signal Error

209 EWS -Message Error

210 Ignition Feedback Resistor (ZSR)

211 Idle Speed Actuator -Mechanical

212 VANOS Bank 1 -Mechanical

214 Vehicle Speed Signal (VSS)

215 Lambda Sensor Bank 1 or ASC/MSR/EML -Interface not plausible

216 Lambda Sensor Bank 2 or EGS Position Signal

217 CAN bus error -EGS Signal not present

218 CAN module -Warning

219 CAN module -CAN Offline

220 Lambda Voltage Range Bank 1 Sensor 1

221 Lambda Voltage Range Bank 2 Sensor 1

222 Low Coolant Temperature or Lambda Sensor Control (MS43)

223 Lambda Sensor Switching Bank 1 Sensor 2

224 Lambda Sensor Switching Bank 2 Sensor 2

225 Cat Efficiency Bank 1

226 Cat Efficiency Bank 2

227 Mixture Deviation Bank 1

228 Mixture Deviation Bank 2

229 Lambda Sensor Switching Bank 1

230 Lambda Sensor Switching Bank 2

231 Lambda Sensor Switching Bank 1 Pre Cat

232 Lambda Sensor Switching Bank 2 Pre Cat

233 Catalytic Converter Overall Efficiency Bank 1

234 Catalytic Converter Overall Efficiency Bank 2

235 Lambda Heater Bank 1 Post Cat or Pre Cat Signal (MS43)

236 Lambda Heater Bank 2 Post Cat or Pre Cat Signal (MS43)

238 Misfire Cyl 1

239 Misfire Cyl 2

240 Misfire Cyl 3

241 Misfire Cyl 4

242 Misfire Cyl 5

243 Misfire Cyl 6

244 Crankshaft Interval Timing

245 Aux Air Injection System Bank 1

246 Aux Air Injection System Bank 2

247 Aux Air Injection System -Incorrect Flow Detected

248 Pre Cat Converter Efficiency -Bank 1

249 Pre Cat Converter Efficiency -Bank 2

250 Tank Venting Valve -Function

251 Tank Ventilation Diagnosis Error

252 Tank Ventilation System Vacuum

253 Activated Charcoal Filter Shut-off Valve Stuck Shut

254 Tank Ventilation System -Large Air Leak

255 Tank Ventilation System -Valve Stuck Open

[vaduva80s]

ok, am fost la un alt tester si am urmatoarele rezultate:

Cod de eroare :103

POZITIE AX CAME ADMIS.NECORESP.

 

Restul sunt legate de alimentare tensiune--- ori prea scazuta

 

 

asta inseamna ca e ax cu came?

Nu , inseamna ca este exact ti-am preconizat eu la inceput.

SENZOR POZITIE AX CU CAME. Cel din fata este si costa cam 300 RON.

 

camshaft sensor

 

http://realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/h/r/236.png

Piesa 5

[Fan_XBMW]

vaduva80s tu ai avut exact aceeasi eroare? 103? intreb ca vreau sa ma asigur ca nu schimb senzorul degeaba si de fapt era alta piesa. "POZITIE AX CAME ADMIS.NECORESP"

nu ar fi trebuit sa fie cuvantul SENZOR in eroare?

As putea sa schimb si eu acest senzor? tu l ai schimbat singur?

[vaduva80s]

vaduva80s tu ai avut exact aceeasi eroare? 103? intreb ca vreau sa ma asigur ca nu schimb senzorul degeaba si de fapt era alta piesa. "POZITIE AX CAME ADMIS.NECORESP"

nu ar fi trebuit sa fie cuvantul SENZOR in eroare?

As putea sa schimb si eu acest senzor? tu l ai schimbat singur?

Eroarea aia nu mai stiu ce cifra avea , dar oricum nu conteaza cifra pt ca difera de la un tip de tester la altul .

Aceleasi simptome le aveamsi a fost senzorul pozitie ax cu came admisie , pt ca mai e unul de evacuare care e de 3 ori mai ieftin.

Oricum eroarea era greu de depistat pt ca erorile la bmw se inregistreaza daca eroarea persista cel putin 10-15 secunde . Eu am tinut mult la automat pana s-a inregistrat.

nu are ce sa fie altceva si stai linistit ca nu tre sa schimbi axul cu came ,poate cel mult sa-ti reglezi vanosul.

 

Acel senzor inregistreaza pozitia axului cu came si in functie de parametrii lui calculatorul masinii da comenzile de pornire la toate ansamblele care au legatura cu aprinderea . Daca acel senzor nu citeste bine , calculatorul masinii nu va lasa motorul sa porneasca pt. protectia de a nu se avaria ceva grav.

 

Eu odata am tinut foarte mult la automat (20-30 sec) pana cand a pornit , si masina nu tragea deloc si mergea foarte-foarte infundat.

[george blaga]

Am avut si eu aceasta problema, am fost la BMW la tester si a dat eroare "camshaft sensor", am schimbat senzorul si tot nu s-a rezolvat problema, am fost la un alt tester si a dar eroare "crankshaft sensor" - senzorul de la arborele cotit, acesti 2 senzori au o legatura stransa, eu am dat 450 lei pe senzorul de la axul cu came si 200 de lei pe cel de la arborele cotit.

nu simti niste smucituri in mers?

Edited June 13, 2012 by george blaga

[Fan_XBMW]

nu,masina merge bine... dupa ce o pornesc chiar trage ok.... parca uneori mi se pare la parcari cand o las mai moale cu acceleratia si ambreiaj...uneori imi moare...dar f rar...

[vaduva80s]

nu,masina merge bine... dupa ce o pornesc chiar trage ok.... parca uneori mi se pare la parcari cand o las mai moale cu acceleratia si ambreiaj...uneori imi moare...dar f rar...

Poate e vre-un contact de la pompa de benzina ?

[nt98adu]

nu,masina merge bine... dupa ce o pornesc chiar trage ok.... parca uneori mi se pare la parcari cand o las mai moale cu acceleratia si ambreiaj...uneori imi moare...dar f rar...

 

Scoate pompa de benzina din rezervor, curata filtrul montat pe pompa, verifica ce presiune scoate. Eu asta zic ca e pb. ta.