E36 - montare ASC

[pyu]

Vreau sa-mi montez asc pe masina, m-am saturat sa tot imi fuga spatele pe asfalt umed.

Are cineva vreun DIY? A mai facut cineva asta?

[mihai vigariu]

la modelul e36, cele din 98 cred, exista ca dotare OEM, insa nu actioneaza ca la modelel mai noi, gen e46, unde iti franeaza rotile, nu este un ESP. DIn ce stiu eu, cel de e36 iti taie puterea de la motor. Deci in principiu daca iti adaptezi stilul de condus in conditii de ploaie tot acolo ajungi. Poate ma corecteaza cineva.

[DonJon]

Daca e acelasi ASC de pe e46, isi face treaba foarte bine.

 

Si la DSC taie gazul.

 

Am avut bmw cu asc si acum am dsc. Sincer, nu am simtit diferenta dintre ele in cazul ruperii aderentei.

Edited March 10, 2015 by DonJon

[mihai vigariu]

Daca e acelasi ASC de pe e46, isi face treaba foarte bine.

 

Si la DSC taie gazul.

 

Am avut bmw cu asc si acum am dsc. Sincer, nu am simtit diferenta dintre ele in cazul ruperii aderentei.

 

e diferenta mare intre dsc si asc. s-a mai discutat. Personal consider ca efortul de a trece la ASC e prea mare pentru rezultat. Niste anvelope mai bune ar fi o rezolvare mai rapida, oricum ma indoiesc ca te ia prin surprindere cand fuge spatele , fuge doar daca ii dai gaz, si atunci probabil ca te astepti la asta.

Vorbim de un 316i?

Edited March 10, 2015 by mihai vigariu

[pyu]

E vorba de un 323. ASC-ul de pe e36 iti taie si gazul, dar iti franeaza si roata/rotile din cate stiu eu - una din modificari e inlocuirea pompei de frana cu una cu 4 iesiri, iar la rotile spate va trebui sa trag doua conducte, in loc de una singura.

Anvelopele sunt bune, nu asta e problema.

Pe anumite portiuni de asfalt rupe destul de putin aderenta, iar pe altele rupe aderenta cu totul, si vreau sa stau fara emotii.

Efortul nu stiu daca e atat de mare... E intradevar ceva munca, dar si rezultatele cred ca sunt pe masura.

Instalatia trebuie sa imi ajunga in curand, deja am luat-o.

[Alin KIR]

Din cate stiu E36 are acelasi sistem de ASC+T ca si E46-le NFL. Nu actioneaza diferit pe E36 fata de E46. Iti taie gazul si previne derapajul. Daca ai toate cele necesare, eu zic ca merita pus pe masina. Un plus de siguranta nu strica, mai ales ca stim cu totii cum sta E36-le la acest capitol.

[pyu]

Chiar nu stie nimeni?

Am instalatia, si nimeni nu stie cum se monteaza..

[wind-3er]

http://www.bmwclub.r...-pe-un-bmw-e36/

 

http://www.bmwclub.r...766-asc-pe-e36/

 

http://forum.4tuning...sc-bmw-e36.html

"DePinde de care asc vrei sa montezi ca sunt vreo 2 tipuri,asc simplu si asc+t,dacă montezi asc simplu iti trebuie buton pompa de asc si senzorii de ABS de la roti,dacă montezi asc+t iti trebuie pompa de asc,calculatorul de asc,butonul,senzorii,clapeta care taie gazul si cam atât in alta ordine de idei mai bn cauti o instalație completa inclusiv cu module si pompa si ai terminat tigania"

"E de foarte mare folos ASC-ul...Te duci dracu si cu si fara ASC.Daca mergi cu viteza constanta si virezi masina va derapa stanga-dreapta dupa cum vrea. ASC-ul doar iti taie gazul cand accelerezi si sesizeaza prin intermediul senzorilor de ABS o diferenta de viteza intre rotile de pe spate. Daca vrei cu adevarat sa faci ceva inteligent pune DSC (valabil pentru E46/E39).Altfel doar va faceti de treaba ca sa mai puneti un buton in consola."

 

http://www.pieseauto...abs-asc-bmw.htm

Edited October 22, 2015 by wind-3er

[pyu]

Am tot ce trebuie, sau asa cred. Ideea e ca nu gasesc nicaieri un DIY.

Schema, legaturi, etc.

[wind-3er]

Daca e acelasi ASC de pe e46, isi face treaba foarte bine.

 

Si la DSC taie gazul.

 

Am avut bmw cu asc si acum am dsc. Sincer, nu am simtit diferenta dintre ele in cazul ruperii aderentei.

 

 

Tocmai asta e idea , sa nu simti !

DSC nu e tot una cu ASC !:

 

 

The DSC (Dynamic Stability Control) is BMW's electronic stability control system. It controls the suspension with the help of three other single programs – ABS (Anti-lock Brake System), ASC + T (Automatic Stability Control + Traction) and CBC (Cornering Break Control).

 

The system was firstly introduced back in 1997 offered on BMW 740i/L and 750i/L. Nowadays, all BMWs come with DSC III as standard including DTC (Dynamic Traction Control). The DTC allows more wheel slip meaning a more dynamic driving style with higher wheel traction including DSC controlling stability. In other words, the DTC will allow you to drive more aggressively without suiciding yourself.

 

The DSC system is very complex and interesting. It constantly checks vehicle speed, steering angle, wheel rotation, lateral and transverse acceleration, brake pressure and yaw to register imminent instability when cornering, especially on slippery conditions like snow and rain. When instability moment is registered, the DSC intervenes via the engine management system. It reduces drive torque and activates each wheel brake individually to keep the car stable. Everything this happens within milliseconds, so do not think you don't need this system.

 

So, the DSC uses ASC+T to cut the engine power and, if this is insufficient to maintain traction, it also uses ABS to apply braking power wherever it is needed.

 

The DSC uses a lot of sensors to work properly. First, it monitors the steering angle sensor to detect the driver's chosen path. After that it uses lateral- acceleration to define the forces, which must be transmitted to the road by the tires. The rate-of-turn sensor defines the car's degree of rotary movement and the brake-pressure sensor define the longitudinal forces acting between tires and road surface under braking.

 

If something went wrong while driving and the car begin to oversteer or to understeer, the DSC can counter the situation by applying brakes. All electronic and hydraulic systems are very rapid and precise, so the driver can hardly feel them.

 

While ASC + T analyzes the longitudinal forces occurring in straight-ahead operation, DSC additionally registers and analyses lateral dynamic forces.

When cornering at high speeds, DSC counters unstable vehicle states such as oversteering or understeering

The DSC feature can provide maximum stability when cornering.

With DSC there is a significant reduction in the risk of skidding.

The DTC (Dynamic Traction Control) is a sub-function of the DSC system. Besides offering sports-style driving, it provides a small amount of wheel spin improving traction, especially on deep snow, slush or loose terrain. In some occasions more slip generates better better traction and more thrust.

 

The DTC alloys sports-style driving and even permits controlled drifts. Still, the driver retains complete control over the vehicle in every situation and the Dynamic Stability Control's stabilising measures remain active even when the DTC is activated.

 

When you start the car and you are in normal driving mode, the DSC is active. One short push on the DSC button: the DTC is enabled and DSC restricted. One long push on the DSC button: DSC and DTC off.

[X X L]

la DSC, in plus fata de ASC, intervine in reactia masinii si senzorul de la volan...

[Remus_bv]

salut, pe pagina e36doctor o sa gasesti un retrofit de asc pe e36, e facut de mine.