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@ deeJayOg, nu depinde deloc de cum pun problema eficientei. Poate ca tu vrei sa intelegi eficienta din punctul tau de vedere.. asta e alta branza/poveste..

 

Mai sus nu am dat-o deloc in diverse.

Era o alta optiune (cand am pus sau acolo) aleasa de mine ca sa NU (vrei) analizezi/intelegi cum functioneaza filtru DPF. (nu stiu cat de mult m-am inselat :) )

 

Dar sa revenim la topic, modul EcoPro probabil e cel mai avantajos masinii nu soferului. De aceea probabil multi l-ar scoate daca ar putea, .. Ca BMW-ul lor nu mai e ce era O DATA.

 

Adica, manevrabilitatea, adica legatura cu soferul s-a pierdut undeva in infinit. Probabil de aceea (a)trage BMWul asa bine la femei soferite.. E usor de condus. Iar ei vor sa vanda.. Hai ca acuma chiar o dau in diverse.

In fine, doar modul sport face legatura soferului cu motoru si soseaua. Din perspectiva asta eu le-as scoate pe amandoua (EcoPro si Comfort)! Pentru ca-s de c***t cu directia asistata!

 

Si ca sa lamurim si misterul DPF-ului (si pentru toffefe incerc sa raspund) acesta stim cu totii ca pe autostrada nu se intampla decat sa se regenereze pasiv (nu cu comenzi deregenerari fortate din cauza de oras..), [cu depuneri minime (in DPF)] cu viteza constanta, de croaziera (daca se poate), in jur de 2000rpm, acolo se intampla toate lucrurile bune!

 

Cine crede (inca) ca daca da talpa (..iar filtru DPF o sa sara-n sus speriat ca soferul :roadrage: e nervos :growl: pe el..) nu a auzit/stie de arderi incomplete care nu fac altceva decat ca pe langa fum (la 2000rpm) sa adune si ulei si chiar motorina (vorbim de cantitati infime nu picaturi..).

Unde se aduna ele!? :frantics:

In DPF!

Hmmm..

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deeJayOg Newbie

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Cine crede (inca) ca daca da talpa (..iar filtru DPF o sa sara-n sus speriat ca soferul e nervos pe el..) nu a auzit/stie de arderi incomplete

 

Cine crede? Sau cine a zis asta? Asta ai presupus tu. De fapt nu ai vrut decât să te umfli puțin în pene pe un subiect care nu avea legătură cu discuția în sine.

 

 

Era o alta optiune (cand am pus sau acolo) aleasa de mine ca sa NU (vrei) analizezi/intelegi cum functioneaza filtru DPF. (nu stiu cat de mult m-am inselat :) )

 

Cu sau fără acel "sau", ambele tale opțiuni nu făceau decât să adune la discuția inutilă legată despre regenerarea sau funcționarea DPF-ului, lucru la care tu automat cataloghezi că eu cel puțin aș fi un habarnist și aia e.

Până la urmă e părerea ta, ești liber să te exprimi, dar măcar nu-ți mai da cu presupusa te rog dacă nu mă cunoști. Eu nu mi-am permis să-ti zic ție că ești un habarnist sau că nu știi să scrii nici măcar corect gramatical, pentru că nu asta e ideea aici. Suntem ok acum? Hai să revenim te rog, nu ajută pe nimeni atitudinea asta.

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@deeJayOrg nu mai exista benzinarii de la Mako pana la Arad.

 

@bimmer90f30 cred ca mai toata lumea stie ca e necesar un set de conditii (temperatura, viteza, turatie motor, timp) pentru o regenerare de DPF. Insa e cunoscut si faptul ca a merge in regim mai de talpa, pastreaza motorul mai curat decat a merge ca o baba. De exemplu, masina mea avea 264.000, DPF ON. Am fost la reprezentanta pentru diagnoza pentru DPF si au spus ca este curat. Avea doar warning pentru ca trecuse perioada de viata standard, de 250.000, dar nu pentru ca era infundat. Am desfacut-o pentru a curata admisia si era curata, la fel si EGR. Prieteni care merg ca babele cu diesel, au schimbat filtrele pe la 150-160K sau aveau admisiile infundate.

 

PS: mi-e foarte greu sa-ti citesc postarile cu atatea paranteze si idei in idei. Incearca sa exprimi ideile mai clar. No offence.

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@deeJayOrg nu mai exista benzinarii de la Mako pana la Arad.

 

Probabil ĂŽn situația asta aș fi mers și eu pe EcoPro. Dar la cum mĂŁ știu, alimentam full ĂŽnainte de Mako :) - dar da, are un rol bun EcoPro. Eu doar nu-l suport acelșai motiv pe care ĂŽl zice colegul edit

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Regeneration is only possible within defined limits for the coolant temperature, the exhaust-gas temperature and the ambient pressure. The cleansing effect of the diesel particulate filter is also maintained outside these limits. There is therefore no influence on the exhaust emissions.

 

The limits for switch-off of regeneration are defined as follows:

 

  1. Coolant temperature between 60°C and 110°C
     
    The lower limit for the coolant temperature is necessary to ensure stable combustion. The upper limit protects the engine against thermal destruction.
  2. Exhaust-gas temperature between 220°C and 690°C upstream of the oxidation catalytic converter
     
    The lower limit for the exhaust-gas temperature is necessary to achieve an adequate heat-generating reaction in the oxidation catalytic converter and in the diesel particulate filter. The upper limit for the exhaust-gas temperature protects the oxidation catalytic converter and the diesel particulate filter against excessive thermal load. The upper limit can only be exceeded in the event of engine malfunction.
  3. Exhaust-gas temperature between 220°C and 670°C upstream of the diesel particulate filter
     
    The lower limit for the exhaust-gas temperature is necessary to achieve an adequate heat-generating reaction in the oxidation catalytic converter and in the diesel particulate filter. The upper limit for the exhaust-gas temperature protects the oxidation catalytic converter and the diesel particulate filter against excessive thermal load. The upper limit can only be exceeded in the event of engine malfunction.
  4. Ambient pressure greater than 0.6 bar
     
    At lower ambient pressures, the maximum permissible speed of the exhaust turbocharger is exceeded and regeneration is therefore blocked.

Later edit: raspunsul urmator e mai detaliat.

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Fals. Vezi TIS.

 

 

o urma de adevar tot exista:

The periodic regeneration is performed at all speeds. The most efficient method is regeneration at a constant speed in excess of 60 km/h (38 mph) over a period of 20-30 minutes.Constant driving speed above about 60 km/h (approx. 38 mph). The optimum speed is about 100 km/h (approx. 60 mph).

 

Stiam eu ceva ceva, numai ca incomplet, din moment ce trebuie tinut cont si de alti factori gen: anumite temperaturi, presiune exterioara, lipsa erorilor pe anumite componente.

 

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@deejaay

 

din comunicatul de presa bmw de la lansarea lui G20:

 

"The coasting function is now available when either ECO Pro or COMFORT mode is selected using the Driving Experience Control switch between 9 and 99 mph. The efficiency-enhancing decoupling of the powertrain only takes place in driving situations where

 

performance and comfort are not compromised. If the driver suddenly lifts off the accelerator, the powertrain stays connected so that engine braking can be used to support deceleration. For the same reason, powertrain disconnection is also prevented when approaching a junction or a vehicle ahead."

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goangaus Proficient

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Coastingul eu nu am vazut sa se activeze vreodata in modul Confort (verificat in energy flow) dar am descoperit astazi ca se poate activa manual din padele, cu acceleratia libera se schimba manual pana la ultima treapta M8 si apoi se mai apasa inca o data padela "+" si functia coasting este activa. Scrie si in manual dar nu stiu cati stiu asta. 

Eu am G01, banuiesc ca merge la fel si pe G20.

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Engine off coasting/ coasting Principle

The engine is automatically disconnected from the gearbox in selector lever position D under certain circumstances. The vehicle continues to roll in neutral to reduce consumption. Selector lever position D remains engaged. This vehicle condition is called coasting. On vehicles with mild hybrid technology, the engine does not run at idle when coasting under certain circumstances; rather, it is switched off automatically. The revolution counter points to READY in the instrument cluster when the engine is switched off. The vehicle continues to roll without using any fuel. This vehicle condition is called engine off coasting. As soon as the brake or accelerator pedal is pressed, the engine is automatically connected again. For further information: Vehicle battery, see page 366.

Coasting is a component of the ECO PRO drive mode and the COMFORT drive mode. Coasting is automatically activated by calling up the ECO PRO drive mode or COMFORT drive mode via the Driving Experience Control and cannot be deactivated. A precautionary driving style helps to use the function frequently and supports the consumption-reducing effect of coasting. 312 The coasting or engine off coasting function is available in the speed range from approximately 25 km/h, 16 mph to 160 km/h, 100 mph.

The function is active if the following conditions are met:

▷ System detects a calm and smooth driving style.

▷ Accelerator pedal is not pressed or accelerator pedal is released.

▷ Brake pedal not pressed or only pressed lightly.

▷ Selector lever in selector lever position D.

▷ Engine and gearbox are at operating temperature.

▷ System does not detect any vehicles ahead of you.

▷ The system does not detect any obstructive traffic situations or routes.

▷ Active Cruise Control with Stop&Go function, ACC, not activated.

Operation via shift paddles

Principle The coasting state can be controlled using the shift paddles. Activating, deactivating coasting using shift paddles 1. Pull the right-hand shift paddle to shift to the top gear. 2. To activate coasting mode, actuate the righthand shift paddle again. Actuate the left-hand shift paddle to deactivate.

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20 minutes ago, Viper05 said:

coasting asta e cand apare masina cu simbolurile -> -> in bord?

Ala e doar ca eu nu l-am vazut niciodata in bord in modul confort si ziceam ca poate fi activat manual.

Am gasit poza pe net, nu stiam ca exista, eu nu am vazut asa ceva la mine in Confort, doar in Eco Pro.

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3 minutes ago, Viper05 said:

da stiu ce zici, apare din cand in cand, nu tot timpul la vale de exemplu, nu bag de seama sincer. dar e ceva relativ vechi aveam si pe f10 2012

Stiu dar peste tot se spune ca avem coasting doar in Eco Pro, uite ca este si in Confort doar ca se activeaza mult mai rar.

Multi spun ca folosesc Eco pro doar pentru coasting.

Am verificat in energy flow, in Eco pro cum iau piciorul de pe acceleratie intra in coasting pe cand in Confort intra in Charging battery.

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1 minute ago, goangaus said:

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Am verificat in energy flow, in Eco pro cum iau piciorul de pe acceleratie intra in coasting pe cand in Confort intra in Charging battery.

asta nu am observat, credeam ca in orice mod cand iei piciorul de pe acceleratie intra automat in charging

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